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Post by Sarah Laycock on Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:43 am

Hi everyone,

I haven't been on here before today, but have found it very interesting. Love the friendly banter!

We recently got a staffy cross who gets very, very, very, very distracted by other dogs when we are out, she is only 9 months old, so will she calm down? Everyone keeps saying that staffys don't grow out of it. I think its cute but other dog owners aren't as patient.

My star wars name is Sarla Lecov. My kids will love working theirs out when they get home from school.

Sarah xx
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Post by Warley on Wed Feb 11, 2009 6:55 am

Hi Sarah,

Welcome to the forum. We have a similar problem with our Akita Archie but he has an aggression problem with other dogs. He has hated most dogs (with exception of a select few) since he was 7 weeks old and no amount of socialisation with other dogs has helped. We now take him to the training classes at Rother Valley Country Park on a Sunday. Hes not bad if the other dog is on the lead and at a distance but if they are off the lead and come running up to him he kicks off.

Akita's are suppose to mature at about 3yrs old (hes almost 18months now) and are then suppose to calm down a bit so fingers crossed. Very Happy
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Post by Sean Benson on Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:04 am

Hi Sarah and welcome!

You should speak to Julie (DRAB) about distracted dogs, hers was a nightmare to being with but he's pretty good now. Most dogs just need perseverence and the right education.

WARLEY - you didnt tell us your star wars name!!!!

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Post by Guest on Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:18 am

Hi Sarah, Sam wasn't so much distracted by other dogs, he ATTACKED them. Rolling Eyes Does your dog (you didn't put her name and posting a picture is a must!) like toys, balls that sort of thing, one technique is to buy a special toy that she's not allowed to have at all, when your out on a walk and you see another dog whip out the toy and play with her - NEVER let go, or this will loose the challenge, keep walking forward and you'll be past the dog before you know it. In time it will break the habit and she should be fine. It Didn't work for Sam though he saw the ' special toy' and thought 'Oh special toy there must be a dog' - he's a Border Collie and one smart cookie but you can try for nothing! Smile

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Post by Sean Benson on Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:47 am

and your star wars name, please Mz Drabble?????????????

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Post by Guest on Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:44 pm

My Star wars name is Princess Juldr Habar - and yes Seabe Mabar the force is strong in me!! Twisted Evil

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Post by Jann on Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:43 pm

Hi Sarah - nice to meet you Very Happy

Your dog sounds like he keeps you out of mischief! As she is so young, try to socialize her as much as possible - do you have friends with dogs who you can go for walks with? How does she actually behave when you say she is 'distracted' - does she ignore you to go to other dogs, or is she noisy - or agressive?

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Post by Sarah Laycock on Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:19 am

Hi everyone

My puppy is called Coco.

When I say distracted, I mean she wants to play. She thinks every dog and their owner is her new friend. Unfortunately, no-one local that I know has a dog to walk with. We have tried treats but they are not as interesting to her as other dogs but I will try with a new toy.

We tried puppy classes and I spent 45 minutes trying to get her attention while she spun round trying to get loose so she could go play. I was exhausted!

Thanks everyone for the advice xx
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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:24 pm

If she just wants to play then I agree with Jann, the best thing you can do is to socialise her as much as possible, if you do the same walk regularly then you'll come across the same people, if you stop and chat it gives the dogs chance to become aquainted and she will build up a social network, hopefully you will come across someone who is happy to let their dog rampage with yours for a while.
I did this with Sam he was about 8 when we adopted him just over a year ago, if he saw a dog he dropped into the collie stance and fixated on the dog, he wouldn't listen, you couldn't distract him with anything once he'd clocked the dog he wouldnt move until he was sure it wouldn't attack him and he couldn't get it, he was so bad i had to muzzle him but with patience and persiverence its paying off, he hasn't been muzzled for about 8 months now but he is always on his 30ft training lead it trails behind him but it's my safe guard that i can retreive him at any time as like any man he has selective hearing lol!

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Post by Jann on Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:05 pm

Lol Drab ... Laughing

Collies are sometimes so very keen to 'work' - they need a job to do and can become obsessive - it is good to hear that Sam found a new home with you despite his age ... it is a sad truth that many older dogs are not so lucky.

Coco sounds like a sweethesrt .... a pleasant, friendly wee pup who loves everyone - but she is not looking to you as her pack leader Sarah; does she have a bed of her own where she sleeps? Is she allowed on the furniture? What is she like in the house ... does she listen to you and do as she is asked every time?

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Post by Lisa on Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:39 am

Hi Sarah, our Alfie has just the same problem but we didn't get him until 18m old and it had really took hold and escalated to where he would jump, bark, try to escape etc on seeing a dog and it looked really nasty. Socialising helps so much and using a favorite toy helps for us too. He's not perfect by any means yet but great to what he was like.
Maybe try training classes again. The Rother Valley group are good - I agree - as you get to socialise a bit too and there are folks there willing to take a walk with you. I use it for that reason more than the training aspect. Ideally you need a puppy class that does socialisation walks but I don't know any. A lady called 'SIT Dog Training' was trying to sort this out but I don't think it ever came off.
Good luck - don't give up!!!

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Post by Sean Benson on Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:52 am

If your dog behaves negatively continually try to distract its attention with a toy, treat or sharp command. A plastic bottle half full of stones works well for some. You may need to come back another day if they refuse to stop barking, pulling or whatever. What works for one dog may not work for another and there will always be those who cannot tolerate others. Observe their interactions over time to discover what works best with your dog.

Sometimes it may be worth putting your dog on its back and hold it still by placing a firm hand on the chest. In some cases it may be necessary to shout NO, or bark in your dog's face! While bystanders may consider you a lunatic you can take comfort in the fact that some monks in upper New York State apply this method and they are renowned for their success in training German Shepherds!!

If you have a rescue or animal shelter dog then you will need more patience when you are socialising your pet. Unfortunately these animals may have been abused by a previous owner or injured by another dog which can result in fear and aggression. Nonetheless it is possible to change this with consistent and patient training so that with repeated exposure to other people and animals they become more tolerant. If you begin the socialisation process early-on and expose your dog to others for short intervals, gradually extending and repeating this you should be able to resolve a lot of his worst problems.

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No matter how hard you try there are animals who will require specialized training in order to teach them to get along with others.

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:45 am

Hark at him! Don't let him fool you - he's copied that!
As Cesar would say "BOUDARIES, RULES AND LIMITATIONS!"
My dogs have to sit by their food bowls and can't eat until they are told they can, they sleep in the kitchen NOT upstairs, they are made to work for a treat. I am pack leader and they know this, only once in the early days did Sam whip round on me, he was after next doors cat - which isn't allowed, i grabbed him, he turned, i grabbed him again showing i was not backing off and unfortunately for Sam i had a bucket of water in my hand which he then got! It worked.........for a while, well i am honest! Very Happy

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Post by Sarah Laycock on Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:18 am

Coco is brilliant at home and knows i'm in charge. She sleeps in the kitchen. She will sit and stay on command but is maybe a bit spoiled cos she is allowed on the furniture. The problem is only when we are out and there are other dogs, then she ignores me!

Will keep trying though, she is only 9 months so we have a long time together xx

We are going to Rother Valley this week so that will be great fun.
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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:06 am

That's the most important thing Sarah, enjoy your dog!Very Happy

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Post by Warley on Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:19 am

Hi Sarah,

If you are off to Rother Valley for the training classes they are not on this week. They are back again on 22nd Feb though outside the watersports centre as normal.

If you are off to Rother Valley just for a walk then have a lovely time Very Happy
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Post by Sarah Laycock on Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:28 am

Thanks for lettin me know cos we were gonna go to the trainin. Will go on 22nd.

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Post by Lisa on Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:32 am

Yep, all that sounds just like Alfie. An angel at home but so excitable outside.
The good thing at Rother Valley is, being outside, if it all gets too much you can walk away for 10 mins to calm down, and then rejoin.
I'm hoping to get there this week too. Alf is usually the only Beardie so look out for us (he's the noisy guy) and come and say Hi.

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Post by Lisa on Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:35 am

Oop. Missed the note re training being off this week. Well in that case, the come say Hi comment still holds for next time I get there. Not sure about the 22nd though.

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Post by Lisa on Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:35 am

Hi Sarah and all,
just to let you know whats happening with us. We just took a walk at Cannon Hall and Alf was great with the toy (its a ball with a rope - his big thing is playing fetch). He walked past 3 dogs real close fixated on the toy. Great! Then a Boxer came for a chase game but Alf came right back. Great again!
Only after about 30 mins he got distracted by 2 dogs playing chase each other. I realise this was partly my fault as I was not keeping an eye on him (I was getting too confident and also trying not to contact the really slippy mud with my bum!). He was pretty much gone then as his excitement levels reached around 12/10, so we put on the lead and headed home. But at least as you see we are making progress. Some.

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Post by Jann on Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:02 am

My sisters wee dog, a terrier type, behaves in a most unusual way when they meet another dog ..... she starts to scream in a high pitched yelp as if she is being murdered! My poor sis dreads seeing other dogs while they are out .... wee Alice will not be consoled, she makes this phenomenal racket until the other dog is out of site.
Sis took Alice to dog training .... Alice made so much noise that the instructor nor anyone else could hear themselves think let alone speak!
One of the instructors held Alice down, on her back, firmly making her keep still .... she never ceased the noise for a second ... if anything it was louder!
Her body language when she does this noise thing is 'Tail tucked in, back bristling, standing her ground but not moving forward' and her ears are pricked up and her expression is sort of eyes protruding and head held high ...
Alice shares a home with 2 very large dogs and two smaller ones and 3 cats .... she is well behaved and affectionate in every way .... but take her anywhere and she sees a starange dog ... it is a nightmare!

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Post by Guest on Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:52 am

Well done Lisa!
It is easy to become a little complacent when they behave, and then they do something to catch you off guard and your illusion is shattered. The hard work is paying off though, keep up the hard work.

Jann, wow little Alice has a whole lot of body language going off there and very confusing it is too scratch

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Post by Warley on Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:56 am

We watched Cesar Milan the other night and there was a Beagle on it that use to howl whenever he saw a dog. Cesar said he was just allerting everyone to the fact he had seen a dog because they are a hunting breed its how they communicated with the rest of the pack. He didn't show any of the body language that you have explained though Jann so I agree with Drab, it is rather confusing.
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I watched that one too Warley!

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Post by Warley on Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:03 am

Just to let everyone know the Rother Valley training is on earlier than normal this Sunday (1st March). It will be taking place between 10.00am & 11.30am. They are back to the normal 10.30am start on Sunday 8th March Very Happy
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